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Aerial Law w/ Peter Sachs

Well I want to introduce uh peter sachs with a drone law journal dot com is that correct? What is correct good morning I guess there yes, it isthe so how are you doing? Peter it's great to have you on thank you for having me I appreciate it that's great well people people who follow what's going on with the f a a and with you actually globally everything that this that's happening with drone flight you've been right out there as an advocate for the flyers but also an educator and that's really what we're about is educating people not necessarily making uh giving legal advice of any kind but but I think just education and I think that's what's most needed here is dispelling myths, dispelling rumors and giving people fax and I think that's really what's most important and you seem to be a leader in that and you're you're there have been written articles and and interviews with you on this topic well thank you yes uh I'm glad you mentioned that none of this should be considered legal advi...

ce. Of course, if you do ever have any legal issues you shouldn't contact your own attorney licensed only in the state of connecticut. I'm sure your viewers are from uh various locations throughout the country and I'm not licensed to practice in any of those locations unless they happen to be connecticut but I also don't ever represent anybody done, uh public interest law for a little over twenty years um I never represent anyone other than myself on occasion and I do it's strictly for public interest purposes. Well, that's great now you just started an organization for drone drone pilots and drone photography you want to tell us about that? Yes, I did. I started it last night on it's called to the drone pilots association and its design to represent the interests of commercial operators and non hobbyists non hobbyists I mean, those who are in search and rescue the fire service police departments and what have you and for commercial operators? Obviously the members of the audience the ones who want to be able to make money flying small drones well, that's great now you've you've been interviewed in some some local tv and in some some different articles about about different flights that you've done because you also fly you're not just you're not just an advocate, but you're also a flyer correct you've done some fine that's correct on the full sized commercial helicopter pilot for thirty one years and uh, they're a little bit too expensive to operate a little bit too expensive to rent so my flying these days is limited to flying a drone and I happen to fly a phantom uh I have to a fat envision uh attentive to vision and the phantom to vision plus that's great so can you can tell us about some of the flights that you've done? I think he did one where a fire department uh you required your services or you offered your services to them yeah, that was actually the the initial thing that put me on the map I happen to be a member of the volunteer fire department in my town that's why cat's tail over there on the thie fire department I demonstrated to them two weeks prior to this incident uh the drone in the parking lot and I showed him what it could do and I left by saying if you ever have a situation where it's too dangerous to send inhuman firefighters give me a call and I'll send in the drawing first it could take a look and then you could see if it's necessary if it's possible to send in human beings and lo and behold two weeks later that very thing happened we have a korean town and the way they mine court stone from the quarry is these explosives and there happened to be an awful lot of what's called anfo explosives that's the same explosive used in the oklahoma bombing so they had a massive fire going on inside this quarry and they had no idea whether or not it was safe to send in the firefighters so the chief gave me a call I was on my way to work assignment turned around. Got my drone, flew up there they had cordon off a one mile area. Nobody was allowed in. Uh, I was allowed in obviously for that purpose and actually doing it point the camera down, the chief looked over my shoulder and using his knowledge and expertise, he was able to determine that the fire was still a safe distance away. To be able to send in the human firefighters to put it out, and they put it out in about an hour. Uh, plan b was to let the thing explode, and the reason for that is there was no way to safely have somebody take a peek. You couldn't. Cory is basically a big hole in the ground. There's no way somebody could look over the edge, look down and there safely with the risk of there being a massive explosion uh, far easier, safer to send in my fifteen hundred dollars craft that a human being and it worked, and it marked the very first time in the history of the fire service that a drone was used for decision making purposes. It's often been used for flying over the aftermath fire or flying over a fire in progress for training bases, but never before had been used to actually make a go no go decision. The day after that I received calls and e mails from fire services all over the country. What did you fly? How did you do it, which we buy and it's now been incorporated into the, uh, equipment used by many fire departments throughout the country how all of which would be in the eyes of the a flying illegally, right? Well, let's talk about that little bit. Just recently I saw there was a fire in harlem and way I think we've got a short video clip let's let's see if we can bring that up, they should have that cued up for us let's see if we could bring that it doesn't have any audio, but if they let that play this very short, I just grab it, just grab this, but they were and I'm not sure in this case I don't believe this was the actual fire department, but they allowed this person to fly so they could see the extent of the damage and what they had to work with down there. So this was actually just a regular old person he wasn't asked to do it, he just took people on himself can fly up there. This is widely criticized by a lot of folks really I like said that it was reckless that he shouldn't have been doing it really ok, what is your focus on that I disagree entirely there was absolutely nothing reckless about it uh he turned around and sold the photos to you know, the post the daily news I believe it was yeah, that was criticized as well thie f a went into we're investigating mode by the way, all these investigations that the faa says they're doing they're not doing a single one um, you will never see the result of any of these investigations ever since the parker matter they've stopped doing anything other than talking about doing investigation, they're not they're not conducting any investigations at all. What about the cease and desist letters that people are supposedly getting or won't be getting any more? Or what is the status on that? Well, I'm not sure how much the audience has already been told about any of this. Has the legal stuff been discussed at all? Not at all that's we're just kind of entering into this. Where do we stand today? Okay, the faa had been for several you're sending out cease and assists uh, basically saying we order you not to do what you are doing unfortunately, they were using low level employees, deviation inspectors and what not to send those letters out part thirteen of the federal aviation regulations require that those be sent from the office of chief counsel in other words, they're to be sent by the attorney or one of the many attorneys with the faa they weren't doing that. So each and every one of those season this disorders were bogus and as absurd as it sounds, the faa actually used that as an argument in the most recent case, the texas act research case saying, look, we shot these out, but they weren't even really orders they weren't sent by the office of chief counsel, so you could ignore him. So every season assistant has been sent out from this, uh, point backward I was in validly issued and could have rightfully been ignored. Uh, every everything that sent out from this point forward, this decision was just last week, everything sent out season this assist wise from this point forward would have to be sent by the office of chief counsel itself can't be said by some low level employees of the faa. So where do we stand now? I mean, are there actually laws on the on on the books right now, or are they just suggestions or the guidelines? Where do we stand? And what what would those be that's a loaded question that really depends on who you ask. If you ask the faa, they'll say, yes, there are laws there, very clear laws. It is not a gray area, it's, black and white I'll agree with them that it's black or white but my version of black and white is it's one hundred percent legal to use drones for pleasure or profit um there exists not a single statute of regulation that's currently enforceable that prevents you from doing that and the faa I'm sure you're aware of some of your audience making aware that the faa on the twenty uh fifth published in the federal register and interpretation of the special rules for a model aircraft and uh it purports to do exactly what congress ordered yeffet not to do that is make any laws make any regulations rather regarding model aircraft and this interpretation purports to do just that. Okay, so a ce far as you know, the bands in national parks or anything like that made those are enforceable through the national park system, I guess or what what's the yeah I'm glad you brought that up because there's a lot of confusion as to the ban on using drone to national parts, the national park service is permitted to make any regulations that has to do with activity that takes place within the park on the ground in the directive that was sent out to the supervisors of all the parks in the country uh it was it was stated that no one is allowed to take off land from take off from land upon or operate while standing upon park property the national park service can't do anything with respect to things that are in flight, so if you're able to take off and land and stand outside of a national part and you fly within it, you're fine. Uh, the the national park service is free to actually have that restriction in the same way that a cow it's a no bonfires, no motorcycles, what have you? They're allowed to do that and there's nothing wrong with that. And I don't really have any problem with that because that's within their jurisdiction, they just can't say anything about the flight part, and they've admitted as much in the actual memo that went out to all the art directors. So say, I'm out flying at the beach. I know that there's there's some places in areas there's, wildlife areas, their no fly zones that air noah restricted. I always honor those personally just because I'm a wild life, you know, conservative that way, and I respect those boundaries, but as faras I'm in an open area, I'm at the beach and I'm flying below four hundred feet, and yet somebody comes and tells me that, you know, I don't have any right to do that or local law enforcement. Or say a park ranger somebody comes to me, I'm not in a national park space fully within my what what what do I say to that? I mean, I can usually comply, but I mean, do I have the right to be in that space if we could step back one moment with your noah no example and wild I fully agree with you, it makes no sense at all laws or not to do anything to disturb wildlife. And noah again is frito have regulations that forbidden you from disturbing wildlife through any means specifying that you can't do it with a drone is redundant. You're not allowed to do it with a baseball and you're not allowed to do it with a stick. You can't do it with anything so it's just a regular old law it's not the in a way a regulating flight per se they're regulating the protection of wild life. So so that's actually okay as well, but strictly speaking t f ours, frc, I'm sorry. I don't know if everyone knows that way. We don't know this terminologies tio tio bars and temporary flight restrictions fr z's air flight restricted zone so on and so forth their special areas that are set up either permanently or temporarily in which aircraft cannot operate or have to operate under certain conditions only because drones are not quote aircraft under the federal definitions in my opinion I don't believe that drones are subject to any fr z's tf ours or any of these temporary or permanent no fly zones that's not to say you should do it just because it's not the law doesn't mean it's a smart thing to do if the president is in town don't go flying your drone over the president, right? They're not going to like that uh and you can battle little your what you're going to lose that's right it's a common sense comes into play an awful lot there are times when I know that I could fly legally but I choose not to and everyone should put limitations upon themselves based upon their flying skills based upon their knowledge of airspace incidentally everybody should have knowledge of airspace if they plan on flying these things but just because there may not necessarily be a law forbidding something doesn't mean you should do it you gotta kick in regular old common sense everyone should fly safely and responsibly at all times and I forgot the second party of question I know it had something to do with four hundred feet in the beach well let's let's just take that as a separate I gave you too much too much to work with there so yes let's talk about your flight risk flight restrictions because I know well that well it's let's use, for example, that we don't know all the details, but the guys that were supposedly flying near the bridge in new york recently, um, well, they claim they weren't flying that high, that there was an incident with the helicopter. I mean, when you're in a condensed, ah populous area like that, that may not be using common sense to start with to fly, but but do in your opinion, do you think they were still within their rights if they were indeed within the fly space that they said they were? Well, I can only go by the news account it's on dh, the eighteen c transcript I'm going to go by the a t c transcript because I do not trust the news accounts, especially from the particular news sources that revenue on the sea transcript makes it very clear. I don't know if anyone had a chance to read it, but it makes it very clear that no near miss occurred, that there was no evasive maneuver made by the pilot. And if the, uh, nypd chopper pilot is, uh, to be taken seriously, he really ought to realize that a phantom is not capable of ascending at a rate of six hundred eighty two miles per hour. You have estimated that had gone from zero to two thousand feet in two seconds and when you do the math that six hundred eighty two miles an hour that's near so new near supersonic speed mine does not go anywhere near that fast I think minds about fourteen miles per hour on a certain um so his credibility you know he's a bit tainted that said if the rest of the transcript is true then they did observe the drone operators flying at eight hundred and one thousand feet respectively in my personal opinion, first of all there's no law that says you cannot fly there's no law and I got to emphasize the word law there's no law that says you cannot fly about four hundred feet in my personal opinion and I think most responsible drone operators would agree flying above four hundred feet is unsafe and irresponsible there are really aircraft I'm sorry I shouldn't say riel there are full size aircraft up there and you're endangering those those aircraft by flying at those flight levels minimum safe child students are generally five hundred feet you should always in my opinion stay not below five hundred people below four hundred feet guidance was put out by the faa back in nineteen eighty one that guidance lives on today it's advisory circular ninety one dash fifty seven it says you should not fly higher than four hundred feet a jail above ground level uh I agree with that entirely and uh as a photographer I happen to be an amateur photographer as well um I really don't have a need to fly anywhere near four hundred feet to be honest with each other really great pictures in my opinion are done it far lower outs to ease um I like the unique perspective of being able to see things from above and composing the shop from above but when you get up to the four hundred foot level unless you want that giant uh swath of land with the curvature of the earth shot which is a lot of fun the first time you do it uh down low is typically where I fly I find I I checked the gps and photo shop online and typically my shots are the seventy five, two hundred fifty foot range well, it's an and that's ah that's a subjective issue is well because I I shoot mostly video shoot more video than than still photography and I find I like the extended jib cam shots where I can go up to one hundred feet from zero or I can fly through trees or fly in areas that I can't get a camera in any other place but I to find more interest with the dynamics of of that angle and I you know I could go to google maps and see stuff that's above four hundred feet and that's pretty much the same thing so it's like why do you need to do that? I I did hear that the distance between four hundred and five hundred is kind of the buffer you were the manager's craft shouldn't becoming below that unless it's designated for a specific helicopter or whatever but but you know but being I think being smart about it being aware of your surroundings if you hear a helicopter or you see one or whatever I think it's just wise to just bring it down get it out of the way just make sure that you're clear because you can hear him over your drone so get out of way because if they're in the flight path they're probably on a specific mission or whatever uh just get out of their way and release any incident and I believe you fired right do we have ah question come so you open for some questions here from our audience asked ask away all right hi peter I'm kind of representing the folks they're at home and if you guys grab a mic if you've got some questions as well well fantastic people are really, really loving this conversation peter we've been waiting for this for you to be here so everyone wants to talk about the subject matter far, far over it wei have several questions about no fly zone maps and how do you no so from soups from esque along an optimum films who is on twitter using the hash tag drones lives where is the best place to find maps or boundaries for air space? How do you know what's no fly zone well without opening it up by browser right now I can't point to the exact link, but you could simply google sectionals sectional maps and there are sites online where the sectionals are available for you to read they are not easy to read for somebody who is a non pilot. However, to that end there are tutorials online that show you how to read a sectional and once you've learned how to read them it's really not that difficult clearly shows you the boundaries that clearly shows you the altitudes the sectionals are chock full of information and you could imagine when your flight like when I would fly a full size helicopter uh not only are you having to do everything with both hands both feet your eyes, your ears so on and so forth but attached to your knee on a knee board is the sectional and you have to decipher what the sectional says while you're flying it's quite a difficult task until you're used to it and sectionals could be a bit overwhelming teo to read but it's it's just a matter of learning how to read them once you've got it down it's not that difficult okay we've got another question right here in our audience hi peter I have a question regards teo commercial use for I'm a photographer and I do a real estate photography a lot of my clients my real tours would love to have a drone shot um what would you suggest common sense legalities uh am I at risk are they at risk well you don't have to answer this but I'm going to guess that a lot of your real estate stuff suddenly dried up um what the faa started doing uh several weeks ago yes and subpoenas to realtors so they could know well say why they sent it so they could find out who's using drones commercially but the true reason is so that they could intimidate realtors into not using drones because they don't want to happen to put up with the burnhams burdensome efforts of complying with subpoenas subpoenas are a pain in the neck to comply so all of the large realtors o r realtor entities like in a r and r and artie and what not put out directives to the remember saying you're not to use drones you're not to use photographs taken with drones so nowadays I'm guessing I don't do real estate photography myself but I'm guessing that the real estate left to be had are from the smaller ones who are perhaps not members or are brazen enough to ignore the dictates of their uh uh parent entity it is legal if you're asking if it's legal though it's one hundred percent legal thank you because there are other folks online who were asking the same questions okay so I want to sell my house can I get an aerial view great we've got another question here from our audience how you doing, peter? I don't have a specific question about since I'm seeing like a lot of big commercial aunties are showing these great video that they're getting these jobs will be the best thing for like a small startup like whether requirements that you suggest maybe in connecticut for instance that I wanted to go through the steps of being able between now and six months prepare myself actually taught a bid on these commercial jobs and actually have the the backbone the insurance, the licensing so that way when this trend really takes off on the cuffs of the edge before this kind of dot com bubble burst I want to be in there before it actually happens well you already there being a member of this audience right now you're obviously for the end on the ground level uh if you weren't getting the education you're getting right now through today and yesterday you wouldn't be in on the ground level uh it's great that uh jeff's doing this um but as far as preparing for the future first will you mentioned six months nothing's gonna happen in six months uh, they're estimating seven to ten years before the small drone operators are allowed to operate commercially. Hopefully, it will be far less than that. Hopefully, certain things will happen between now and then that will change that ridiculous number. We're already very far behind other countries, as faras commercial drone use is concerned. Uh, but as far as preparing for the future, I would say the best thing to do would be to become at one with your craft, you want to fly? You want to be able to fly that thing? Uh, as safely and responsibly and professionally as possible, you don't want to run the risk of crashing. You don't want to run the risk of hitting someone or something if you were to hit someone. Or some thing there is insurance readily available if you're going to be operating as an amateur, uh, sorry. As a hobbyist strictly is obvious and not charging anything. A lot of homeowners insurance covers, uh, model aircraft line does, for example, uh, if you want to operate commercially, regardless of whether the faa says it's legal or not, insurance is readily available for commercial operation right now, and it has been for quite some time, transport risk is actually, uh, the group that I would recommend um the other thing that you want to do is learn how to read sectional charts you want to get some basic aeronautical knowledge actually, what it comes down to is getting basic aeronautical knowledge the theory of flight uh basic meteorological knowledge how does weather work? Uh it can be complicated but you don't need to learn it to the level of meteorologist you should learn it to a basic level because things like icing for example I'm not sure your audience is aware of icing but uh things like icing can happen with a phantom on and it will fly like a brick at that point if you get icing uh so you want to learn meteorology and you also want teo get your ducks in a row business wise, I would imagine in the same way you would any business follow the trends follow the, uh the prominent voices out there in the world there are a number of people in the drone worlds who know what they're talking about and far more who haven't a clue as to what they're talking about. Um be careful what you read on facebook you be careful of what you read touted in a particular blogged er everything you read online obviously it's not true facebook is notorious for posting well this is the law this is law, this is the law they really shouldn't be touting with laws if they don't even you know howto read the lot understand it so be careful where you're getting your sources um there's just a handful of drone lawyers in this country so there are very few sources right now uh but uh I would say if you do all of those things, you'd be in good shape as faras the future including doing stuff like what you're doing right now sitting in the audience on this that's that's great feedback you've got another I just wanted teo point as paul say mr photography in the chat rooms mentioned that way do have a global audience, peter and so you're talking about I didn't realize that I'm a little I'm only speaking to us law I know nothing about the law in other countries with the exception of the fact that australia has a really great idea and I think we should follow australians of gravel okay so two things lets it can you point to what that is that australia is doing and then also so for places in the uk for example where this where paul is and where should people go to look to find out what their laws are? There is actually a website and I think the name is drone dash laws dot com I might be incorrect that has the breakdown for each of the states and I think he's extended it to other countries I only address us live not even made any attempts to address any of the other countries laws I'm not intimately familiar with any of the other countries laws with the exception of australia because I like their model when australia has done is they've done under well, it's it's proposed it hasn't been made law yet, but their proposal, I think is a very good one they've proposed an across the board exemption for all model aircraft below expounds and by exemption that means they could do whatever they want they complex commercially, they could play for hobbies they could fly however they want as long as they do it uh within certain guidelines that are very similar to our guidelines, they just didn't across the board exemption for very small craft, which I think we should do in this country because it's silly to treat uh three and a half pound phantom in the same way as you would treat eh fifty five pound which is what the advisory circular uh uh references the fifty five pound kraft or hundred pound kraft or a thousand pound kraft there's a big difference? I mean, yes, you could get hurt if any of them fall on your head, but you're going to probably get less hurt at the three pound one picture than fifty five pounds. Well, I like uh I like your points about you really learning to fly these things? Because again we've got a lot of photographers and videographers in the audience they just want teo get in the air they want to shoot photos and that's one thing that we've been trying to stress throughout this whole workshop is not just safety but safety comes from experience and just like driving a car you know, that's a that's a weapon in the wrong hands or inexperienced driver and that's the same thing we're talking about here I mean your camera is flying through the air ah and you need to have control of it and I think if you're going to do it either as a hobbyist or comer commercially the rules still apply you know, do it safely don't be a jerk you know don't try teo get a lot of hits on youtube from doing something stupid you really practice and you get better at flying these things and be safe and everything will fall into place if people would do cooperate people are human and they're going to do things obviously but but but I think that that's that's ah great message for this is you know, if we educate ourselves and work together as a community and making this a positive thing and giving the name of positive spin uh I think that's gonna it's going to go a long ways to make this all go in our favor I would agree you bring up a very valid point. There have been a number of incidents in the news in the past several months. Uh and a number of videos posted on youtube and elsewhere that show people operating in an insanely unsafe and irresponsible manner uh, there's, no way to legislate again immediacy, of course. And even if there are laws in place it's not necessarily going to stop anybody from doing these things. Uh, but part of the problem with the technology being so readily available and so inexpensive is that anyone could buy one uh, take it out of the box. Never read the instructions, take off, fly and you crash the very first time or go out and buy another one and crash the second time or fly up to two thousand feet. Um, flying these things with absolutely no knowledge and no training he's just playing stupid and completely irresponsible. Uh, again, there's no real way to stop it. Uh, the drones do not come from the factory with a special key that you, uh, are only allowed to insert after you've gone through x amount of training. And what so there's, no way to stop that specifically and I would frankly, in the future when regulations are put into place, I have no problem I'm on record as being not anti regulation safety or into regulations air fine by me on and those who do fly in a responsible manner should in fact be called staffs in the back here. Hi, peter. I got a question for you. If you're flying somewhere and you're not, you didn't know you were in a no fly zone. Can they arrest you? Find you confiscate your aircraft. What's? What can happen? Well, the, uh, the theory has always been the doctrine has always been that ignorance of the law is no excuse. So yes, they could. Whether that would be a valid arrest. Well, first of all, I wouldn't be interested would be an enforcement, but whether it will be in about a valid one, it's an entirely different story, of course you'd have to fight it. And when you find it means you need attorney and that means you need to spend money. Uh, so typically what would happen in an enforcement action is you'd compare what they're proposing to find you two thousand ten thousand compared to the legal fees, and you decide whether it's cheaper to pay the fine or better toe fight it with the attorney. Um but they could there's nothing that prevents them from doing that, um, it's my legal belief that those no fly zones do not apply two drones that's not to say, though, that the faa can't try they control in the same way that you could sue anyone for anything they could try to go after you, they may or may not succeed, uh, it's, it's more of the battle, then it is the actual enforcement action itself. Are you willing to spend the legal box? We got one more question here. This may be a stupid question, but earlier you alluded to the national park ban on drones, and I was interested in the idea. Is that a blanket exemption? Because I've done research in the nash park system for both vegetation or wildlife census ing, and there are so many other ways in which it would be useful to have drones as an incorporation into the into the park service. Is there any? Is there anything in the ruling that says, you know, that research or other, you know, our own use? Is this just a public examine a public ban, or is it a band across the board? Good question, there is something in the directive that does say, uh, you are able to get a permit to do it, so for things like research and what not, I would imagine that's something that they would permit, I can't speak for them, but I'm guessing it's something that they would permit um and you might even be able to get a permit if it's just to do a photo shoot I do know that national park service is typically require you to apply for a permit anyways for commercial photo shoot so that's something along those lines you probably have to do the same thing the fact that it's a drone and today's climate but probably make it a little bit more difficult to get um but there there's no telling if you're asking in advance, maybe you have a better chance of doing it as opposed to just flying it well, peter, I want to thank you so much for all of your valuable information today and taking time. How can people find how can people find you and follow you in the various formats of facebook? Twitter ah your block what are the best best places for people to find you? Uh, let's see best place would probably be my twitter because that's where I do all my regular hour earlier by the minute posting grow law journal dot com is where I have the current state of the law that doesn't change all that often, but my twitter feed is there a cz well, um drone pilots association, which had just created your for youto join that there's nothing on this side just yet right now we're just trying to get other members uh the next step is to fight the faa um on dh er believe that's it I'm on facebook I'm in several of the user groups on facebook you have obviously join this user groups well and I'll be linking to you as well from our drone workshop page on facebook as well and we thank you so much for all your great information and your candor in the interpretations who I really appreciate that well pleasure thank you for having me I appreciate it. Great, thanks. That was awesome. That was that was amazing and I opening in some areas I mean, I learned a few things too that I you know, I thought I kind of had a handle on all of this inside now it's like, oh, well, there's some things and I do noah's faras what he's talking about some of the no fly zones finding some of those hey, I can't remember the term he used for him, but they're basically maps of areas like noah noah has their map and there's areas where I know that I've, uh gone to fly and ah, look at the map and they're pretty clear along the coast lines were not where there's wildlife restrictions that things like that they're pretty well, it clearly stated, so I think it's really important even if you think you're going to a big open area, it may be a wild life preserve you can't fly there so it's really important to find that information out before you head out. Fantastic! It was a great, great segment. I love how we are addressing so many different topics within this two day class you're bringing in some amazing special guest happy tohave. Yeah, that was that was great let's talk about what we are going to do in our next segment. Okay, going, teo, pull up a little bit of the footage that we captured from yesterday's flights. We had some technical issues here, they're so we didn't get all of the footage from from everybody, but I do have some clips from collins uh, flight that I was going to show during hiss hiss segment, but we just got so sucked into the conversation, I think we you forgot to even grab that, so I'm going to showing that we're going to be looking into adobe premiere pro cc, which the latest release, which is twenty fourteen version on could be talking about that, and then also how to do some stabilization and lens correction for various great lenses, gopro and the vision plus the vision cameras, so anyway, we'll be in premier pro for the most part, but showing some examples of editing styles and different things and premieres, it'll be fun. Very, very cool. Putting it into action just wanted to assure everybody that we, in fact creative live it did was permitted given this conversation, to do all of the flying that we did dio yesterday. So don't worry about that way, actually were permitted through the u s navy because that control of the island and so we got their permission. So we made sure everything was legitimate before we even so secure that is that location exactly. Exactly. I wanted teo give you some feedback, actually was again looking at your facebook page. The facebook dot com drone workshop dot us on and it's cool to see where people are joining us from from all over the world. We have a comment. Aloha, jeff watching your presentation today we had our lin irc aviation squadron youth group taking notes and are excited to try all the techniques once they finish this course. So it's really, really cool to see everybody that is joining us from all over the world.